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Somethine very similar happened to me a few years ago, but I didn't have a kid at the time, so for that and whatever other reasons I left. I wouldn't worry about being morally grey - it's the only healthy color of morality.

I've been on the wife end of this tale and, like you, stuck it out. I'm glad that we had a child then because it was the only reason I stayed. We now have two and we're happy. Our relationship took a serious battering and it took two years of sniping and licking wounds before we were back on an even keel. The problem, from my point of view, was the absolute betrayal of trust and the way his problem of feeling guilty was handed over to me to deal with under the banner of 'I'm being honest now'.

Sorry for leaving a first comment on such a personal post - I linked to you via Minks and I also happened to watch 'Leon' on Sunday - he does indeed look serious.

If I wasn't looking for comments - from anybody - I wouldn't have put it out there. I appreciate your honesty and for taking the time and trouble.

Trust is indeed the big issue. It's taken for granted, easily destroyed and impossible to regain totally - That's certainly my wife's view which concurrs with yours.

I guess the problem is that I am a very cynical person and don't trust anybody anyway whereas my wife will always give people the benefit of the doubt - Just as well in this case. Because of that I started taking her for granted, probably still do, and that's a dangerous and selfish thing to do.

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I think just being able to write it out, cleansed you a bit. I think it is fine to have friends of the opposite sex, as long as you don't shag them (or make out, etc). There is chemistry between people, and there is nothing you can do about it excpet control yourself as far as taking off your trousers. If you truly love your wife in a pure way, then you can control yourself. How many people look at Angelina Jolie's photos or films and want to make love to her? Is that cheating? However, flirting as far as, making sensual advances to another person than your partner, is harmful to a comitted relationship. It's just wrong. I was married briefly to a man I believed to be gentle, kind and true. When I found out he not only coveted other men's wives but took his clothes off with them and told them he loved them etc, I was vastly devastated. Then there is this issue where you enjoy the secretiveness of it all. Where is that coming from? Is it thrilling? Do you feel bored with your life and need the thrill? That would be perfectly normal to feel, but if you can channel that energy into something less risky, that would porbably be better. Like, go on a holiday to Afghanistan and help people in need.

Being a parent is so fulfilling but also draining. It takes alot of the romance out of the picture. Kids are demanding, grubby, get sick alot, and can be annoying (I love my son more than anyone, thanks, but I am a realist). But a day will come when your kids are grown, and if they turned out half-decent or better, you will look at them and be so proud, and content, and say, look what I did, I raised a human being from birth to adulthood and he/she turned out okay. Wow. And you will realise that anything else pales in comparison. Breasts in pushup bras, a six pack stomach, perfectly manicured toenails, (or whatever gets you going over a glass of wine with the opposite sex) mean very little in the grand scheme of things of life in the long run.

If I was a cartoon character, I reckon I'd have a little devil on one shoulder tempting me off course and you on the other, keeping me on the straight and narrow.... Thanks for taking the time to comment.

Yeah - I don't know where the enjoyment of the thrill of the secretiveness comes from - I mean I like doing other dangerous stuff like rock climbing etc? It might be another strand to that? Other than that, the fact that it was a part of my life that was just mine, away from all the constant invasions of children, marraige etc. could also be another factor?

Whatever....I've learnt a valuable lesson, I appreciate my wife and family more as a result and I guess at the end of the day, as you intimate, that's the most important thing in the World.

Definitely I am not perfect or sitting her e thinking I am so wise. It is easy to give advice and difficult to keep my own house in order. I just wanted you to know that.

Life does need some thrilling moments, yes, and we need moments to ourselves, yes. I am glad you appreciate what you've got. I still think you can have friends outside of the marriage and be okay, as long as you don't plan to shag them. The texting thing, not cool, in my opinion. It's like lying.

My relationship flaw is I am very independent, which for some reason seems to bring out the beast in most men, when it is what they are attracted to in the first place. A wise girlfriend said it makes them want to capture and tame me. I can not be tamed by anyone other than myself. And if someone is right for me, I will not need to tame myself. Being with him will make me serene and calm.

Why Ringo Starr? I love him. He is the coolest Beatle.

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ROTFL (Roll On The Floor Laughing.....) It's not Ringo Starr, who is indeed cool, it's Leon, the titular hit man from Luc Besson's film (who is indeed cooler, if fictional?!?!?). I'd never seen the resemblance before.....?!?!?!

I appreciate your comments and took them in the "to err is human" manner they were intended. You're right, friends "all above board" is fine, texting behind locked doors is potentially the thin end of a dangerous wedge.

As for your relationship flaw, well my wife is the same and you're girlfriend is right, it's probably what attracted me to her in the first place. It just results in those "can't live with her, can't live without her" situations sometimes.

It's Jean Reno, then. I should have realised it. It DOES look like Ringo. I stand by it. Dammit.

Yes, to err is human was my opinion.

It's just occurred to me how much better "Leon" would have been as a film if it had starred (no pun intended) Ringo?

Never mind the fact that Ringo also originally provided the voice of childrens' favourite "Thomas the Tank Engine" here in the UK....That would have just been superb....He's probably even more laid back and laconic than Jean Reno and imagine him delivering the line "How do you know it's love if you've never been in love before?"

....we seem to have got off the point of my original post?!?!?!

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